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		<title>By: Summer Is a Great Time to&#8230; Have a New Logo Designed (&#8220;Rebrand&#8221;) :: Maximum Customer Experience Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Summer Is a Great Time to&#8230; Have a New Logo Designed (&#8220;Rebrand&#8221;) :: Maximum Customer Experience Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 09:20:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] know. I told you that you do not need a logo. It’s still true, but you’ve got one, haven’t you? If you haven’t, your wordmark (that’s [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Kelly</title>
		<link>http://maximumcustomerexperience.com/2008/01/31/repeat-after-me-i-do-not-need-a-logo/comment-page-1/#comment-23</link>
		<dc:creator>Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 02:21:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David,

Good to hear from you. The definitions I gave above are the ones I commonly use in everyday speech (of course we all go around saying &quot;wordmark&quot; in everyday speech, don&#039;t we?). Before I finalized the post, I checked with a couple of resources (books I&#039;ve got around and Wikipedia, online), to make sure I hadn&#039;t been messing with my terminology too much or getting sloppy over the years.

I feel pretty good about these definitions so I&#039;m going to respectfully stand behind them.

I would like to clarify one bit: when I said  &quot;a logo is a graphic (illustration, usually)...&quot; I meant as opposed to a photographic image, which you see occasionally but thankfully not often. Most overly illustrative logos are a &lt;b&gt;big mistake&lt;/b&gt;—a rant for another day—but there are some who can pull them off beautifully: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.flashfonts.com/flashsite/logopage.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Leslie Cabarga,&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.tomnikosey.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Tom Nikosey,&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.louisefili.com/flash.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Louise Fili,&lt;/a&gt; for instance.


BTW: Anyone who is getting a kick out of the semantics of logo terminology here should run don&#039;t walk to David Airey&#039;s new blog, Logo Design Love, to the post that won&#039;t die, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.logodesignlove.com/when-is-bad-logo-design-good&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;When Is a Bad Logo Design Actually Good?&lt;/a&gt;, and particularly, to the lively comments on that post (don&#039;t miss Frank&#039;s comment, which is as fresh as it is timeless).

Thanks for checking in, David, and making me own my words!

Regards,

Kelly
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David,</p>
<p>Good to hear from you. The definitions I gave above are the ones I commonly use in everyday speech (of course we all go around saying &#8220;wordmark&#8221; in everyday speech, don&#8217;t we?). Before I finalized the post, I checked with a couple of resources (books I&#8217;ve got around and Wikipedia, online), to make sure I hadn&#8217;t been messing with my terminology too much or getting sloppy over the years.</p>
<p>I feel pretty good about these definitions so I&#8217;m going to respectfully stand behind them.</p>
<p>I would like to clarify one bit: when I said  &#8220;a logo is a graphic (illustration, usually)&#8230;&#8221; I meant as opposed to a photographic image, which you see occasionally but thankfully not often. Most overly illustrative logos are a <b>big mistake</b>—a rant for another day—but there are some who can pull them off beautifully: <a href="http://www.flashfonts.com/flashsite/logopage.htm" rel="nofollow">Leslie Cabarga,</a> <a href="http://www.tomnikosey.com/" rel="nofollow">Tom Nikosey,</a> and <a href="http://www.louisefili.com/flash.html" rel="nofollow">Louise Fili,</a> for instance.</p>
<p>BTW: Anyone who is getting a kick out of the semantics of logo terminology here should run don&#8217;t walk to David Airey&#8217;s new blog, Logo Design Love, to the post that won&#8217;t die, <a href="http://www.logodesignlove.com/when-is-bad-logo-design-good" rel="nofollow">When Is a Bad Logo Design Actually Good?</a>, and particularly, to the lively comments on that post (don&#8217;t miss Frank&#8217;s comment, which is as fresh as it is timeless).</p>
<p>Thanks for checking in, David, and making me own my words!</p>
<p>Regards,</p>
<p>Kelly</p>
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		<title>By: David Airey</title>
		<link>http://maximumcustomerexperience.com/2008/01/31/repeat-after-me-i-do-not-need-a-logo/comment-page-1/#comment-22</link>
		<dc:creator>David Airey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 11:55:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Kelly,

Many thanks for your recent comments on my blog. Very much appreciated.

I disagree that a logo is usually an illustration.

Illustrations are too complex to be used as an identifier, and there&#039;s a big difference between graphic design and illustration.

I also believe a logotype to be the wordmark, so if you&#039;re using your name alone, without a symbol, you still have a logotype (the kerning, colour, typeface etc. are all representative of your identity and should be chosen carefully).
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Kelly,</p>
<p>Many thanks for your recent comments on my blog. Very much appreciated.</p>
<p>I disagree that a logo is usually an illustration.</p>
<p>Illustrations are too complex to be used as an identifier, and there&#8217;s a big difference between graphic design and illustration.</p>
<p>I also believe a logotype to be the wordmark, so if you&#8217;re using your name alone, without a symbol, you still have a logotype (the kerning, colour, typeface etc. are all representative of your identity and should be chosen carefully).</p>
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		<title>By: Kelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 18:06:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for checking in, Meg.

As a professional Designer I must confess that the idea of playing around with ideas, with a little graphic skills, wounds me slightly. It&#039;s been discussed at a fever pitch around the Internet, so I&#039;m not going to go there.

As a realist, and as a professional who helps smaller businesses grow, I recognize that this is exactly what happens all the time. Here at the MCE Blog,  I am an advocate for the strongest possible research and strategy behind any design, whether professionally commissioned or not, and I think we &lt;em&gt;can&lt;/em&gt; all train our eyes to understand better work when we see it, coming from our own desktop or someone else&#039;s.

Just to be clear: to me, there&#039;s nothing to say a Designer (paid or dabbling) must have been to University or have seventeen years of agency experience to have been handed the seeds of knowledge. Some people have a keen eye and are sharp strategists without any of that. Maybe it&#039;s in the genes. Go, DIYers!

Unprofessional gobbledegook that won&#039;t produce results is created both by individuals—and by people who get paid to do it—every day.

I think this will get me in trouble equally with everyone.

: )

Regards,

Kelly
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for checking in, Meg.</p>
<p>As a professional Designer I must confess that the idea of playing around with ideas, with a little graphic skills, wounds me slightly. It&#8217;s been discussed at a fever pitch around the Internet, so I&#8217;m not going to go there.</p>
<p>As a realist, and as a professional who helps smaller businesses grow, I recognize that this is exactly what happens all the time. Here at the MCE Blog,  I am an advocate for the strongest possible research and strategy behind any design, whether professionally commissioned or not, and I think we <em>can</em> all train our eyes to understand better work when we see it, coming from our own desktop or someone else&#8217;s.</p>
<p>Just to be clear: to me, there&#8217;s nothing to say a Designer (paid or dabbling) must have been to University or have seventeen years of agency experience to have been handed the seeds of knowledge. Some people have a keen eye and are sharp strategists without any of that. Maybe it&#8217;s in the genes. Go, DIYers!</p>
<p>Unprofessional gobbledegook that won&#8217;t produce results is created both by individuals—and by people who get paid to do it—every day.</p>
<p>I think this will get me in trouble equally with everyone.</p>
<p>: )</p>
<p>Regards,</p>
<p>Kelly</p>
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		<title>By: Meg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Meg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 15:30:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Completely agree. I think with the advent of the Internet, names are much more important than visual logos now. That said, if someone wants to play around with the idea and has a little graphic skills, it can be fun and instructive to try and shrink a business down to a visual &quot;sound byte&quot;. I&#039;ve done it with several different business interests and have actually embraced and actively use one of them on labels, letterhead, etc. to good effect. But that was the exception. :-)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Completely agree. I think with the advent of the Internet, names are much more important than visual logos now. That said, if someone wants to play around with the idea and has a little graphic skills, it can be fun and instructive to try and shrink a business down to a visual &#8220;sound byte&#8221;. I&#8217;ve done it with several different business interests and have actually embraced and actively use one of them on labels, letterhead, etc. to good effect. But that was the exception. <img src='http://maximumcustomerexperience.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Kelly Erickson</title>
		<link>http://maximumcustomerexperience.com/2008/01/31/repeat-after-me-i-do-not-need-a-logo/comment-page-1/#comment-19</link>
		<dc:creator>Kelly Erickson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 13:29:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, the BrainStorm logo at the top is VisionPoints&#039; own (since you didn&#039;t ask, our &quot;about this logo&quot; is &lt;a href=&quot;http://visionpoints.net/about/brainstorm.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;), but I can&#039;t take credit for the theme.

I wanted to remain true to our Purpose but riff off it. The theme began as Soleil by &lt;a href=&quot;http://carriep63.livejournal.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Carrie Petri.&lt;/a&gt;

I code just well enough to be dangerous, so I&#039;ve tweaked the CSS significantly, but when I was considering a blog I wanted to be up and running quickly, without learning blog-specific intricacies, and Soleil was a perfect compliment to VisionPoints&#039; main site.

Thanks for looking in!

Kelly
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, the BrainStorm logo at the top is VisionPoints&#8217; own (since you didn&#8217;t ask, our &#8220;about this logo&#8221; is <a href="http://visionpoints.net/about/brainstorm.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>), but I can&#8217;t take credit for the theme.</p>
<p>I wanted to remain true to our Purpose but riff off it. The theme began as Soleil by <a href="http://carriep63.livejournal.com" rel="nofollow">Carrie Petri.</a></p>
<p>I code just well enough to be dangerous, so I&#8217;ve tweaked the CSS significantly, but when I was considering a blog I wanted to be up and running quickly, without learning blog-specific intricacies, and Soleil was a perfect compliment to VisionPoints&#8217; main site.</p>
<p>Thanks for looking in!</p>
<p>Kelly</p>
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		<title>By: Harrison McLeod - JCM Enterprises</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harrison McLeod - JCM Enterprises</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 12:53:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kelly,

I remember the Olymic logo FUBAR! I had to ask my UK friends what the hell they were thinking on that one.

As a graphics person myself, I agree not everyone needs to have a logo in the traditional sense. For our own blogs (JCM Enterprises and our soon to be released new blog) I didn&#039;t create a specific logo at all.

I&#039;ll remember your blog too. I told James it&#039;s so cheery it reminds me of orange juice. Nice choice of colors and layout here.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kelly,</p>
<p>I remember the Olymic logo FUBAR! I had to ask my UK friends what the hell they were thinking on that one.</p>
<p>As a graphics person myself, I agree not everyone needs to have a logo in the traditional sense. For our own blogs (JCM Enterprises and our soon to be released new blog) I didn&#8217;t create a specific logo at all.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll remember your blog too. I told James it&#8217;s so cheery it reminds me of orange juice. Nice choice of colors and layout here.</p>
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