Dear Kelly,
I liked your post about holiday cards and envelopes.…
Should I be writing holiday cards? Isn’t everybody drowning in meaningless well-wishes from everyone they do business with right about now?
—via email
Every once in a while I like to dig into my mail bag, and with my reader’s permission (thank you!), this seemed like an excellent question to turn into a post.
My thoughts:
1. Those were my personal cards, but yes, I think businesses should be writing holiday cards.
Emphasis on the word writing.
2. Everybody is drowning, but in my experience, a little less every year. That’s a shame because I think there’s something charming about drowning in well-wishes during the coldest, darkest time of the year (well, for northern hemisphere folks… forgive me if you’re reading from elsewhere in the world).
Maybe “everyone” assumes what my reader did when she wrote to me, and that might be why there seem to be fewer cards, gifts, and the proverbial “calendar with the name of my insurance agent on it.” “Everyone” thinks one less greeting won’t be noticed!
3. Don’t let the wishes be meaningless!
SELECT a group of clients and contacts rather than trying to mass-mail 16,000 folks who don’t know you;
THINK about the recipient as more than a revenue stream for a few minutes a year;
WRITE something in every card.
4. If you can’t bring yourself to do a Happy Holidays mailer (and even if you can)—find a holiday at another time of year and surprise your clients and contacts with well-wishes when they’ll really be noticed.
Why not knock ‘em dead with cards for their receptionist on Administrative Professionals’ Day, the Wednesday of the last full week of April? A gift to their favorite charity on Sweetest Day, the third Saturday in October?
I wouldn’t skip the tradition of sending a card at this time of the year, but for Maximum Customer Experience, make well-wishes a fun part of thinking of your best customers and business contacts more than once a year. Create a schedule for keeping in touch, keep your list small, and let your firm’s Vision shine through in your approach. Then your holiday greetings will be eagerly anticipated, even when we’re drowning in tasteful Currier and Ives calendars.
How’s your mailbox these days, at home or at work?
Have meaningful well-wishes become so unusual that you’d sit up and notice a personal greeting from a business contact? Or are holiday cards OUT as a way to send you our best regards?
Grow and be well,
Kelly Erickson













9 December 2008, 8:07 am
I never did this because of budget constraints, but when I was a Professional Organizer, I always wanted to do a Hallowe’en mailout because who does a Hallowe’en mailout?
The card would have had three kids at a door: one as a witch, one as a mummy and one dressed in boxes with papers sticking out of it.
The woman at the door would have been screaming with the bowl of candy flying out of her hands.
Inside the card, it would have said: “Don’t let clutter scare you. Happy Hallowe’en from House Therapy.”
Now that the new business is completely digital, I’m not sure what I’ll do when my mailing lists build themselves back up again.
Probably something around September (most people’s *real* new year).
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9 December 2008, 9:22 am
Hey Kelly,
I fully agree — there is nothing wrong with being drowned in well-wishes. The question I always wrestle with though it “Merry Christmas” or “Happy Holidays”…!
Question for you. I just got some new business cards, and I was planning to include one with all my Christmas cards and gifts that I send out this year. However, it struck me as kind of, I don’t know, wrong I suppose. Should Christmas be a time for just a hand-written note, or is it acceptable to include a business card as well?
~Graham
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9 December 2008, 11:15 am
Actually the sum total of our cards received to date is two. One from the company we bought the spa from, and the other from the Lion’s investment broker. I am expecting one my from investment broker. I said to the Lion “It’s a good thing we buy expensive things, or we’d wouldn’t get any Christmas cards.” The cards are pre-printed with the name of the company, of course, but each one is signed my hand by all the staff members. I appreciated that, because even that takes time.
9 December 2008, 2:13 pm
Alex,
I LOVE that card idea. I think you could rework it for SS…
… you know, someday. When you get around to it.
That could be the start of a landing page, maybe… Friar could do a great cartoon for it…
I totally see it in my head. You have to do it.
Graham,
Where you are in Canada is probably as diverse as we are down here, though I don’t know that Canadians get as nutty about political correctness, but a little sensitivity never hurts. I say “Happy Holidays” (wehen I don’t know the person, or in a card) and I never feel I’ve personally lost something, but lots of others gain, so why not?
Your choices: the card you send can be nicely branded, with printed (i.e. “How did that get there?”) business info, or not. Either way, the handwritten note. Adding a business card would give me the same funny feeling you have. Turns well-wishes into an obvious solicitation, so I wouldn’t do it.
Panther,
Those signatures make a big the difference. I’ve seen some where I wondered if the person “sending” me the card even knew the card went out at all. Ick.
Even better than just signing: If my contact can be bothered to write “Dear Kelly, [insert printed stuff here], Mark,” I know Mark actually thought for ten seconds of ME. These days—that’s huge.
*note to self: buy more expensive stuff so I don’t just get work-related cards next year*
Regards,
Kelly
9 December 2008, 2:49 pm
Oh, don’t even get me started on the PC-thugs who tell us what to say on our own holiday!
There are those that want us to STOP using the dreaded “C-Word”, but diversity and political correctness be damned, I don’t care.
If I send out any cards, I deliberately make a point that they’ll say “Christmas” on them. And I appreciate other cards that do.
Because it’s not the “Holiday Season”, it’s not the “Festive Season”, it’s not “Seasons’ Greeting”…for gosh sakes…it’s CHRISTMAS!!!!
Arrest me. Throw me in Gitmo. Notify Hilary. I dont’ care.
I’m STILL going to say “Merry Christmas!”
Friar’s last blog post…Friar’s Revised Zodiac Signs
9 December 2008, 2:58 pm
To the Jewish people in your office, happily enjoying their thousands of years of history and tradition, too? To Muslims, Buddhists, Hindi? Where I live we have all of the above around us every day, and more.
As I said, if I know the traditions of the people to whom I’m writing or speaking, fine. But there’s a lot of folks in the world who don’t celebrate the season like you (and I) do, so I’m going to have to jump all over that one, dear Friar.
I’ve notified Hillary. ‘Cuz, y’know, I can do that.
Until later,
Kelly
9 December 2008, 3:14 pm
@Kelly — thanks for that. Confirms my suspicions! I thought it would just be nice to include my new card, but I certainly do not want to be overtly solicitous.
As for the whole “PC” thing — I don’t really care about being politically correct, but I do try to avoid hurting someone’s feelings.
What I mean by that is, if you don’t like me sending a Christmas card to Mr. So-and-So, well that’s tough cookies. But if you are offended by my Christmas greetings to you, that is a completely different story.
So yes, I believe in saying “Merry Christmas” — and I think you have a good rule of thumb there Kelly, sending that to people you know celebrate Christmas. But I also believe that “Happy Holidays” passes along the same sentiments.
“Season’s Greetings”, on the other hand, should be taken out back and shot…
~Graham
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9 December 2008, 3:40 pm
Graham,
LOL—I have a “Greetings” post all written for sometime next week. Don’t shoot yet!
9 December 2008, 5:08 pm
@Kelly
I respectfully disagree here, because this is something I feel strongly about.
“To the Jewish people in your office, happily enjoying their thousands of years of history and tradition, too? To Muslims, Buddhists, Hindi?”
Well, heck….YEAH. Why NOT…? How is that hurting anyone?
In fact, I don’t think they’d be offended. I think it’s mainly the PC-Granola-Do-Gooders than make the biggest stink about the whole thing.
When I wish someone Merry Christmas, I’m not doing it to be offensive. I’m doing it because it’s a happy special time of year for me, and it’s my custom to say “Merry Christmas” and wish people the best.
And hopefully, we live in a permissive society where I don’t have to double-guess and check to make sure everyone is the “right” religion before I administer my holiday greetings.
Like I said, if I was wished Happy Hannukah, I wouldnt’ mind in the least. In fact, I’d be happy that the greeter was thinking of me and wishing me well. Even if I wasn’t Jewish. Same thing applies for Hindus, Muslims, or Flying Spaghetti Monsters.
Or am I wrong for thinking this way? Mabye I should go crying to HR or Hilary, or the Thought-Police, and report that someone hurt my feelings by wishing me the wrong holiday.
I’m sorry, anyone offended by being wished “Merry Christmas” should just grow up!! Then need to be taken to a room, and SPANKED, and lectured on the concept of a free society and free speech. (Wendi, where are you?)
If “Merry Christmas” is the worst thing that’s said to us, then we have things WAY too easy, and we need to focus or concerns on more serious problems.
Friar’s last blog post…Friar’s Revised Zodiac Signs
9 December 2008, 5:57 pm
@ Graham – I’m fully for the Happy Holidays or the Best of the Season or To a Fantastic New Year. Growing up English in a French location (yes, you’ve all heard this before), I know full well what it’s like to be the minority treated differently or to be told to go with the group.
I’m UBER-concious of being sensitive to other people’s beliefs and cultures and try to demonstrate that. I like to encompass as many people as I can with my good wishes and not alienate anyone.
@ Friar – Seems you feel strongly about this, and I hear you. But that’s about as productive as getting bitter about the French in Quebec who piss off the English or being resentful about the English who piss off the French.
No one is telling you how to behave and act. But I do think people suggest (and there’s nothing wrong with suggestions) to be more open-minded to other people in the world. There’s a difference, in my eyes, though I may be wrong. Make sense?
James Chartrand – Men with Pens’s last blog post…Drive-by-Shooting Sundays: Writer Dad
9 December 2008, 7:09 pm
@James
Yes…Makes sense. You make some good points.
But what about other people in the world, having an open mind about OUR beliefs and OUR values?
I find there’s a double standard. Why is it okay to try to suppress Christianity this time of year? But God Forbid, can you imagine the uproar is the equivalent was done to other religions during their holidays?
And like I mentioned, I don’t think it’s people from other cultures or beliefs who are complaining about Christmas…I think it’s the Home-Grown Politically-Correct Do-Gooders who are doing all the whining.
In fact, I once had a couple of immigrant friends tell me they were offended that we were NOT mentioning Christmas…they found it patronizing and insulting that we Canadians assumed they’d have a problem with it, that they couldn’t take it!
I just we’d all cut each other some slack…we should all be able to wish whatever we want to each other, any time of year, without having to worry about someone having a hissy fit.
Tolerance applies to everybody…not just for the majority.
Friar’s last blog post…Friar’s Revised Zodiac Signs
9 December 2008, 7:14 pm
@ Friar – Oh, well, that makes perfect sense.
Basically what I think you’re saying is that it’s your right to choose the greeting you feel matches your beliefs and values best while accepting the right of others to choose theirs, and that we should all be quite happy with that. You’re also saying, I think, that suggestions for alternatives are nice, as long as you have the option without reprimand.
I agree.
James Chartrand – Men with Pens’s last blog post…Drive-by-Shooting Sundays: Writer Dad
9 December 2008, 7:16 pm
@ Friar – On a side note, I can see how your above comment earlier could be misconstrued. “It’s Christmas!”
Well, not for everyone, which is what I think others may have felt sensitive about and responded to. I think what might have been more appropriate is to say, “It’s Christmas to me!”
Did I get it right?
James Chartrand – Men with Pens’s last blog post…Drive-by-Shooting Sundays: Writer Dad
9 December 2008, 7:36 pm
@James
Dude. I love ya. But with all due respect, I’m LOL! Because your last comment is a perfect example of what I was talking about.
Here I am, being corrected (albeit politely) that it might have been “more appropriate” to say “It’s Christmas to ME”.
Sheesh!!! Is THIS the level of vigilance I need to maintain when I talk about the holidays?
Is the dreaded C-Word so AWFUL, that I to have to watch everything I saw, and qualify each and every sentence with the right noun?
If that’s what our planet has come to, stop the ride, I wanna get OFF!
That facts are..it’s CHRISTMAS (or close to it). That’s what it is by definition. Christmas is Christmas. Just like Friday is Friday, or Yom Kippur is Yom Kippur, or Kwanza is Kwanza.
Nobody can change these facts…only how they observe the holidays.
That being said…Joyeux Noel (or Happy Festivus), or Happy Viking Solstice, (or whatever is appropriate so that I dont’ make anyone upset)!
Friar’s last blog post…Friar’s Revised Zodiac Signs
9 December 2008, 7:44 pm
@ Friar – Hey, laugh all you want and I’ll love you for laughing at me, but let’s take this from another angle.
“Marriage is a union between a man and a woman.”
Now, I think that’s poppycock, but that’s the fact, the age old definition. Over time, we’ve created many variations of marriage.
Likewise, the period of December to January contains many variations of holidays – not just Christmas.
So while the festivities may be about Christmas to you, they could be about celebrating roosters on fences for me.
The variation might exist, and saying that your way IS it because THAT’S the fact… Yes, sure, December 25 IS Christmas. The rest of the days aren’t, just as marriage IS the union of a man and a woman, but in many cases it isn’t.
Still love me as much?
James Chartrand – Men with Pens’s last blog post…Drive-by-Shooting Sundays: Writer Dad
9 December 2008, 7:56 pm
LOL – Serenity now!
Happy Festivus indeed…
~Graham
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9 December 2008, 8:02 pm
@James
Oh, sure, I still love ya! (In a platonic, manly kind of way).
That whole same-sex marriage debate…Oh, I’m not even gonna GO there!!! (I’m too brain dead at this point to debate anymore!)
Brett, where are you? I NEED BEERZ!!!!!
Friar’s last blog post…Friar’s Revised Zodiac Signs
9 December 2008, 8:03 pm
@Kelly
Did we hijack your blog enough for one day?
(I forget what your post was originally about, at this point…!)
Friar’s last blog post…Friar’s Revised Zodiac Signs
9 December 2008, 8:04 pm
@ Friar – I think it was about beer and how Kelly is sending us each a case for the holiday season… or was it for Christmas? I forget.
James Chartrand – Men with Pens’s last blog post…Drive-by-Shooting Sundays: Writer Dad
9 December 2008, 8:16 pm
@James
She DID mention something about mead a few weeks back..
(That sounds AWESOME!)
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9 December 2008, 9:08 pm
Friar,
On December 25th I’m with you. Therest of the time it ain’t Christmas, it’s a season of multiple holidays. We shall agree to disagree on this, and I shall be glad I stepped away from MCE for a while, as I knew I should!
*mutters something about not enjoying being called a “Home-Grown Politically-Correct Do-Gooder” o her own blog*
It was about unions between two loving Quebecers. Any takers?
James,
Mead, from Lindisfarne. Go ahead and order some. You will NEVER be the same.
Mmm, I have to order myself some again. I want to have a Yule that’s cool, after all.
& what are you sending to moi for my Season’s Greetings?
…
I’m more frightened than I can say to put out that Greetings post I mentioned to Graham now. It’s in the can, so (on a day next week when Brett tells me Friar’s going to be in meetings all day) out it goes…
Off to write tomorrow’s post and thank goodness my blog hasn’t been burnt down.
Until later,
Kelly
9 December 2008, 10:09 pm
@Kelly
Oh dear! No! No! No! I was NOT talking about you when I mentioned the whining PC-Do-Gooders. It’s the extreme PC bullies that I have a problem with, and you certainly DON’T fall into that category. (actually, I found your points of view relatively middle-of-the-road).
Aw..heck. James and I just had a good debate, that’s all. (We promise to clean up the mess we made at MCE, before we quietly leave.)
PS. Promise me you won’t tell Hilary!
Friar’s last blog post…Friar’s Revised Zodiac Signs
9 December 2008, 10:11 pm
Wait. Wait, wait. Clean up?
10 December 2008, 1:02 am
Friar,
She already called back. Says you are OFF the list for Undersecretary of Trans-Border Science Education, effective immediately. Now she’s looking at some lady named Claire Chaffington.
She’s still considering you for Chief Disturber of the Holiday Peace, though.
Happy Roosters-on-Fences Day!
James,
Paragraph 2L, clause 39, clearly states, if you bring a lighter for purposes other than waving it during More Than Words, come back with a broom before the owner notices the crispy, burnt edges of her blog.
Which suggests that Friar had better go get a broom, eh?
Good night, gents. I LOVE a good discussion in the comments. That’s what the blog is all about!
Later,
Kelly
10 December 2008, 9:56 am
ROFL! I had a comment and then got to the bottom and forgot what we were talking about! LOL! Oh yea, Happy Festivus!
I do see Friar’s point in that if you do celebrate Christmas it does feel like it’s been diluted over the years by the need to be PC. I recognize Hannukah and Kwanzaa too (and in my house we celebrated them all) and offer the appropriate greetings to those who celebrate. The sensitivity to be inclusive though has sometimes resulted in the message that it’s offensive to wish anyone “Merry Christmas” or reference Christmas at all. When it comes to cards for business, I do opt for neutral and view them as more of a year end greeting and thank you. I write a personal message and never include a business card. Now on a funny note, my biological Dad is muslim but just try not getting him a Christmas gift or calling/visiting on Christmas! So, Friar may have a point.
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10 December 2008, 11:28 am
@Karen
Yesss!
….THANK YOU!!!
Friar’s last blog post…Vintage Friar Toons #4
10 December 2008, 3:00 pm
Karen,
I love/hate when that happens around here, usually to me.
Glad you remembered what you wanted to say!
Year-end greeting, yup. For business purposes, I’m with you there. If I say anymore I may run into that guy who was doing the cleanup…
Friar,
You still sweeping? I’m not paying overtime, y’know!
Later,
Kelly
10 December 2008, 3:54 pm
@Kelly
(Sweeping as we speak).
Hur-REEE! Hur-REE HARRRRD!…HARRRRD!
Friar’s last blog post…Vintage Friar Toons #4
10 December 2008, 4:37 pm
@Friar — lol, there’s a reference that will be lost on some!
Now I assume by that remark, you must be drinking caesers right about now?
~Graham
10 December 2008, 7:15 pm
Oh, great. He’s causing trouble even when I think he’s being innocent, and I don’t even get it.
Where did I go wrong?
10 December 2008, 7:27 pm
@Graham
Yeah, I was almost gonna explain it, I wasn’t sure if our American Friends would get it.
@Kelly
It’s the World Curling Championships. Which (depending on your point of view) they fortunately/unfortunately show on CBC TV.
That’s what the players scream when they sweep the ice with their brooms.
It’s especially entertaining when the women shriek this in their shrill voices….HUR-REEEEEEEEEE HUR-REEEEEEEEE!!!!)
Friar’s last blog post…Vintage Friar Toons #4
10 December 2008, 8:04 pm
Men with Brooms was partial inspiration for Men with Pens.
HUR-REEEEEE! SWEEEEP! SWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP!
James Chartrand – Men with Pens’s last blog post…Drive-by-Shooting Sundays: Writer Dad
10 December 2008, 8:49 pm
EH? Curling?
Now I’m going to have to go look this odd thing up, aren’t I?
10 December 2008, 8:54 pm
You don’t know what curling is???!!!?? Ohmigod. Ohmigod. I need to sit down.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men_With_Brooms
James Chartrand – Men with Pens’s last blog post…Drive-by-Shooting Sundays: Writer Dad
10 December 2008, 9:11 pm
Men with Brooms, co-written by Paul Quarrington — my favourite Canadian writer of all time. King Leary, Whale Music — think I’m going to have to read those again soon…
My Dad tole me about this game they used to play when he was younger. It was called carling for two reasons, and you played it in the winter on a frozen lake. The trick was to get your car up to speed, slam on the brakes, and try to get as close to the button as possible. Probably extra points if you actually got your car to spin.
The second reason it was called carling? Well, of course, there was quite a bit of Carling O’Keefe’s Black Label consumed…
Not sure if this is an urban legend — my Dad is known to have one on me once in a while. But with the number and calibre of some of his confirmed stories, one never knows…
~Graham
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10 December 2008, 9:13 pm
ps – @Kelly…
Please tell me you’re pulling our legs about never hearing about curling!?!
~Graham
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10 December 2008, 9:15 pm
Dude.
Dudes.
I know the Nordiques are in frackin’ Colorado. As Friar knows, I can sing “And a beer… In a tree.”
What more do I have to learn?
Sheesh. It’s like a whole ‘nother country or something.
*traipses away, la ti da, to look at this wiki-thing (having just returned from YouTube, where I was both astonished and completely confused)*
So you push a thingy? And little servants make way for it with itty-bitty brooms?
This is in the OLYMPICS?
Am I missing something???
Umm, you can wrap this Paul Gross guy up and stick a bow on him for me for Roosters-on-Fences Day, though. That was a pleasant click-through.
10 December 2008, 9:32 pm
Curling is a pretty cool, precise sport.
You slide very heavy granite stones along the ice. The brooms (or the friction of the sweeping) melts the ice in the path of the stone, allowing it to glide farther. The object is to get the stone to the bulls-eye and keep it there. There’s a lot of speed precision, angling, direction, throwing force, spin (spin is important), etc involved.
It’s a LOT harder than it looks, and it’s a LOT of fun.
James Chartrand – Men with Pens’s last blog post…Drive-by-Shooting Sundays: Writer Dad
10 December 2008, 9:59 pm
James,
Granite is more impressive than “thingys,” I’ll give you that. Watching it on YouTube, it certainly looked… suspenseful, even if I had a hard time seeing it as Olympic. Y’know, pool involves spin and skill and such, but it’s not in the Olympics. Probably because it doesn’t have the little servants.
Hey, I’m sure there are plenty of very odd sports going on down here that probably don’t impress Canadians.
I’d better stick with skating when I move to Canada. But I’ll brush up on curling (ahem!) so I don’t look like a dodo, okay?
Oh, and I forgot to mention in my designed-to-bug-you list of things Canadian which I have mastered, that I adore Red Green. Used to get him on Public Television down here.
And I can spell Chrétien.
Oh, man, have these comments gone south.
Or is that north?
I’m going quietly now, exiting my own blog…
… again…
11 December 2008, 10:48 am
@Kelly
You should rent “Men with Brooms”. (if you can find it in a video store down there). Leslie Neilsen is in it..it’s pretty funny and it’s one of those rare Canadian movies that dosen’t SUCK.
Friar’s last blog post…Vintage Friar Toons #4
11 December 2008, 11:38 pm
A couple of days late, I am, but not ignoring you… just thinking about stuff.
To the rescue of Friar, perhaps?
Anyway, my two cents.
Because I do work at a pseudo-government establishment, we’re not having Christmas parties, and we’re not saying Merry Christmas, we’re having Holiday Gatherings and saying Happy Holidays.
You know, to be sensitive and open-minded and all that stuff.
So I propose a new order of sensitivity and open-mindedness.
We are no longer allowed to say “goodbye” to anyone.
Because, you know, “goodbye” comes from the Middle English phrase “God be with ye”.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goodbye
And we wouldn’t want to offend anyone who isn’t in on the joke.
And to add two more cents to the pot.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_religious_groups
According to this, in 2005, 33 percent of the world’s religions were classified as Christian – equal to the sum of the next two largest, Muslim/Islam and Hindu.
At least one of those other two religions (not naming names here) has a kind of law that proposes actions that are illegal in my country, such as disfigurement and dismembering for certain crimes, as advocated by the most extreme practitioners. It is also quite sexist towards women. I guess I should be more open minded to this?
Anyway, take this with a grain of salt and think about it the next time we’re all feeling “PC”. I don’t really give a stuff what people believe behind closed doors, but if their religion advocates breaking laws in my country, I say “no”.
Exactly what are we trying to accomplish here anyway?
And what the hell do I know, anyway? I’m just a Viking, I don’t even show up on that pie chart…
^ ^
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^
o
-Brett
Brett Legree’s last blog post…fail to succeed – report card, week 4.
11 December 2008, 11:52 pm
Brett,
I am coming up there to cut off a finger or two for defending Friar. Just enough so typing after your Thursday night think-session is very, very slooow. We don’t allow Friar-defenses here, LOL.
And I say “Hasta luego” in real life, so I’m okay with abolishing goodbye.
I can’t go with the rest of what you say, though I do hear you. As I said, I live, work, and co-exist with all of your unnamed peoples every day, and that just isn’t the way they live and it isn’t a reason for ME to change MY behavior, or become insensitive myself, anyway.
Extremists and fundamentalist ways of understanding the religion exist in ALL religions. There are plenty of fundamentalists and extremists in those 33%-ers.
Seriously considering not running next week’s holiday-related post…
Well, we’ll just burn down the comment section again, I suppose.
I never get to be controversial here, and who knew this would do it?
I’ve missed you around here, O Busy One!
Until later,
Kelly
12 December 2008, 12:04 am
Kelly,
I agree with you – I have lots of friends of all types too – and yes, there are extremists in all sectors.
I’m just saying that I see an inherent problem with apologizing for things that are traditionally part of our culture in case we offend someone else who has chosen to live in our country.
If we are to accept others for who they are, should they not accept us for who we are? If we go to live in (pick a country), do they avoid celebrating their own traditions so as not to offend us? I think not, in my own experience.
The culture will eventually adapt itself naturally without us having to hurry it along.
Perhaps we should just keep hands off and see what happens?
I’m going to pull your leg some more – let’s stop calling the days of the week by their common names, because they come from Old Norse and that might offend somebody who doesn’t believe in the Norse religion!
Day (Old Norse) – Meaning
Mánadagr – Moon’s day
Týsdagr – Tyr’s day
Óðinsdagr – Odin’s day
Þórsdagr – Thor’s day
Frjádagr – Freyja’s day
Laugardagr – Washing day
Sunnudagr/Dróttinsdagr – Sun’s day/The Lord’s day
Really, I’m just saying I think it is all quite silly. Maybe we should just celebrate the way we normally celebrate and if it isn’t hurting anyone, does it matter.
Or if we are worried about offending someone else, instead of creating artificially safe greetings like “Happy Holidays”, let’s all just forget about the whole thing and say nothing.
It would be really boring and unfriendly, but at least everyone would leave with feelings intact. Because, if you say “Happy Holidays” or “Seasons Greetings” to me, it might just offend me…
Brett Legree’s last blog post…fail to succeed – report card, week 4.
12 December 2008, 12:24 am
Brett,
Clearly, Laugardagr is offensive!
Should I wonder if we all (U.S./ CAN) need to celebrate Native American holidays, since we are the someone else who has chosen to live in their country? Or is it too much navel gazing and too little Maximum Customer Experience?
B. It’s b.
Remember, this was about cards, to business contacts, making them meaningful, and whether to write them or not… not global history and religious geopolitics…
… remember?
I, to bed.
12 December 2008, 12:33 am
Kelly,
Yes, Laugardagr is offensive, I agree. Especially since I do more than half the laundry in the house.
I’m partly Native American, partly French Canadian, and part Irish. Yet I think I’m a Viking. I guess I’ll have to invent my own holiday…
And yes, you are right, it was about cards. Personally, I would choose not to send cards at all at this time of year, as in the business world, it is just another day. Maybe I’d send them in the middle of summer, just to be different. People remember businesses that are different.
So send a card that says “Best Wishes on your Summer Vacation” at the end of June, and if you have customers in the southern hemisphere, feel free to send them some time in December!
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12 December 2008, 1:10 am
Alright. All of you are totally insane. However…
This whole PC holiday phrasing has gotten way out of control. I therefore put forth a NEW phrase:
Happy Chrismahannukwanzolstice!
Oh, and I can’t even wish anyone a happy New Year either, since for us pagans it was at the end of October, and the Chinese are sometime in February, and our Jewish friends had theirs already I think…
Face it. We’re screwed.
Just have a Happy.
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12 December 2008, 6:47 am
*chinks beers with Harry* A very Happy to you too!
12 December 2008, 6:52 am
I’ll drink to that
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12 December 2008, 7:25 am
Harry!
Goodness I’ve missed you here.
I’d wish you a happy no matter what you came and said.
Have a Happy!
Until (not as much?) later,
Kelly
12 December 2008, 11:20 am
@Kelly: I heard there was a party going on here and that James was having far too much fun, so I had to make sure he was staying out of trouble
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12 December 2008, 2:20 pm
Harry,
Distressed to hear that I must have a blog-burning party to be visited by the Voice of Reason, but I’ll see what I can do.
Of course, the ones you think are going to generate a firestorm are the ones where even the crickets forget to chirp, so I don’t know how much control I have over when the parties start!
Later,
Kelly
12 December 2008, 2:26 pm
@Kelly: Aw, no, it’s nothing like that, I’m an equal opportunity lurker so you’re not the only one. Just taking a friend’s advice to heart and making some adjustments
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12 December 2008, 2:43 pm
Friends rock like that.
You know what they say, Harry…
Kiss kiss.
12 December 2008, 5:35 pm
Oboy, I thought this party was over, but I came back to check, and you guys are back right at it.
Brett….YESSS! I totally agree with what you say!!! (Where were you the other day when I needed you..it was tough to hold my own against James tag-teaming with Kelly).
Oh well. We all had a good laugh in the end.
It’s Friday. Let’s all mooch some of Kelly’s mead. We need to get hammered!
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12 December 2008, 5:58 pm
More sensible words were never spoken!
I should secretly get all of your addresses and send you some for Chr…
for Han…
… for New Year’s.
‘Course Harry’d have to wait until October…
16 December 2008, 9:03 pm
Sheesh. I’m the atheist here. The non-believer. The dues paying Humanist, supporter of the ACLU, far left-wing crazy liberal nut-cake and..
I don’t mind a bit if you wish me “Merry Christmas!”.
I’ll even say it back – how’s that grab ya?
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16 December 2008, 9:17 pm
Tony,
Sure, but would you write it on a card for business?
Oh, no, Here we go again…
Re: Humanists—I heard the coolest blurb about Humanist billboards and related issues on NPR a week or two ago, then I was in upstate New York and saw a piece on the billboards on Albany television. Apparently there’s a big Humanist p.r. push for understanding right now. “Tis the season for understanding, why not?
Until later,
Kelly
16 December 2008, 9:27 pm
No, I’d put “Happy Holidays”. But if someone says “Merry Christmas” to me, I’m not going to reply with “Happy Holidays!”.
We have “Xmas dinner” here.. our daughter is visiting “Xmas week”.. it’s deep enough into American culture that I don’t feel it HAS to have religious meaning.
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16 December 2008, 9:33 pm
Oh, one more thing. One of my customers is “Christian Supply Company”.
I would be shocked if their holiday card did NOT say “Merry Christmas!”. Likewise, we have some deeply religious friends (who probably have no idea what heathen scum we are!) – I expect their cards to reflect their beliefs also.
I wouldn’t feel anything bad about a business that send me a “Merry Christmas” car – even if they know my beliefs.
If they sent me something overtly asking me to join their church, yeah, I’d be offended. Tell me gay marriage is wrong or that this should be a “Christian Nation” and I’ll be so offended that I won’t buy from you ever. But “Merry Christmas”? No problem.
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17 December 2008, 7:11 am
I think it would be hilariously funny if Christian Supply Co went for the grunge look this year…
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17 December 2008, 7:16 am
Me either. We agree.