Someone, please help me with this…
Faced with the choice of two similarly-qualified, bright, eager new hires, he went with the one with no ambition.
Interviewed quite a few folks to narrow it down to these candidates, actually. Explained the choice like this:
“It took forever to find these guys. They’ve both got everything I want and need.
“One says he’d love the job forever, but he’s too damned good to stay for long. He knows every technical aspect of the job backwards and forwards, and says he loves being part of a team. He’s got to say that for the interview! He’ll learn as much as he can from us, wait out the economy, and go out on his own in 3 or 4 years.
“The other hates drumming up business. He knows all the same stuff and has been out on his own. He wants no part of managing, marketing, or directing, ever again.”
Well, the pain of driving sales is soon forgotten, so that’s no selling point to me. And the average tenure in one job for a U.S. worker between 25 and 34, as of January 2008? 2.7 years.* NOBODY’s going to be around forever, and certainly not this young staffer, no matter how he claims to want someone else to do all the dirty work.
Before I knew what the choice was, I said, “Wow! I’d jump on the ambitious one! Sure, they might know the same stuff, but he wants to know more—and you’ll get twice the work out of him while he’s around, if he’s as thirsty to learn as you say.”
I began today with the end, so you know how he answered me:
“You’re kidding, right? I want someone I can count on for the long haul. The second one starts in a week.”
No matter where you are on the totem pole, folks, even you janitors out there reading, your number one job is doing your part to create Maximum Customer Experience, and if you’re doing that right, then you’ll be drumming up business every day. So to all you business owners:
You want to grow your business!
Hire the ambitious one. He or she will drum up business for you now. Which is when you’re hiring. Now.
Don’t worry about him moving on in 3 or 4 years. Maybe he will. That would be longer than most 20-somethings stick around.
Maybe he’ll like working with you more than you think, and he’ll stay. You’re not so bad.
Would you hire Mr. Ambition? Or the guy who wants no part of making your business grow and thrive?
Does it have anything to do with who you are?
Grow and be well,
Kelly Erickson
*U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, Employee Tenure News Release
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11 December 2008, 8:53 am
Would you hire Mr. Ambition? Or the guy who wants no part of making your business grow and thrive?
The second one…they get hired a MANAGERS. (At least, where I work, they do!)
11 December 2008, 2:25 pm
It depends on the job.
I think that if there is a chance that the “ambitious” one will start stepping on your toes, yeah you’ve got to consider that. And if the learning curve is long, well you might want to look closer at longevity.
But if you can train someone quickly, and their go-gettum attitude will bring you more sales than headaches, ambitious would be the better choice.
IMHO,
~Graham
Graham Strong’s last blog post…Creative Ads: FedEx
11 December 2008, 3:48 pm
It would depend…
Does the person believe in CHRISTMAS or not?…
Friar’s last blog post…Vintage Friar Toons #4
11 December 2008, 3:59 pm
Friar,
I feel your pain, and I’m glad you know what I’m talking about. (Though I’m sorry you have to work under them!)
Graham,
Hm. Toe-stepping is an interesting point. Perhaps ego can enter into the decision, then… fear of being shown up by Mr. Ambition?
Personally I want to be surrounded by people who know more than I do in their line of expertise, to make the most awesome team possible, but some people have to be the prettiest peacock. Hm. So maybe it does have something to do with who you are, not just who you think the candidate is.
“Longevity,” however, is something you can only know about in hindsight, yes?
Since the average bright young hire only stays 2.7 years, what you’re likely to get out of the one who (this guy guesses) wants to stick around isn’t very long, either. And of course they both did the textbook thing and expressed their desire to be part of this team long-term.
I’ll have to get back to you in 2.7 years on “Mr. Stability.” Or sooner, if he’s not so stable!
Regards,
Kelly
11 December 2008, 4:03 pm
Oh, Friar…
Did you see your mention at Words for Hire today, BTW?
I think she called you a sh*t disturber. My memory’s a little fuzzy on the words she used, but y’know, I could read between the lines.
Later,
Kelly
11 December 2008, 6:04 pm
@Kelly
Oh…she sneaked that one by me!
I’ll have to go check it out.
11 December 2008, 6:14 pm
@Kelly
Okay, now for something different. BEHOLD: a comment actually related to your post. :-O
Okay, the average tenure of a young worker is 2.7 years.
But it goes both ways. If a company wants to retain staff, they need to also make a long term commitment. But in this day and age of economic fuster clucks and outsourcing to Asia, who can guarantee anything?
How many companies are there today, that can honestly say they’ll provide employment for 20-30 years like our parents used to get? Even 5 years is a stretch.
In twelve years of work, the longest I’ve ever held a job with the same company was ~ 4 years. Only once did I deliberately chose to leave a job. Once I was laid off, and two other jobs were contracts, not permanent jobs.
Sign of the times I guess.
Friar’s last blog post…Vintage Friar Toons #4
11 December 2008, 11:40 pm
Friar,
An on-topic comment?
I knew that PhD of yours would be useful here someday.
You know, by being such a job-hopper you’re dragging down the stats of the 35+ group in CAN. You have to stay put, sir. No more moving about for you.
Oh, did you want me to be serious, too?
Let’s see. I agree, I agree, many companies don’t make the environment conducive to hanging around for decades.
In my father’s last Factory (in your sense of the word, mind you—not like he actually made widgets, he just thought about them) job, he was let go for the lamest reason possible, so they wouldn’t have to say “You’re older and better educated and you cost us too much, we have to get people in for half your salary.” But that was the truth.
Experience, judgment, education and being able to rock twice the work out in half the time are not nearly as valued as they should be by the Big Boys.
On the other hand, many small and medium businesses DO value those things, because the fewer the layers between you and the head honcho, the more he or she can poke their head out and see just what having a stable work force earns them.
You have a great point, Friar, and I hope that whatever the size of the business, any owner reading these comments will be struck instantly by how necessary it is to make the environment function for what they claim they want—a long-term commitment to their team.
Thanks. Come back and comment seriously anytime.
Until later,
Kelly
12 December 2008, 12:22 am
I definitely agree with you about hiring Mr. Ambition – I mean, you can’t predict the future anyway, so why not get bang for your buck now as a business owner?
Besides… some Mr. Ambitions learn quickly once they’ve been turned down for a job or two, for being overly ambitious.
They might lie on their application forms and in the interview and say they’ll stay forever. They might pretend it takes them 8 hours to do their work and it really takes them 2 hours. The rest of the day they spend surfing the internet or writing books or staring out the window. Someday, they will leave anyway and you will not have extracted their full potential.
(I know. I’m a Mr. Ambition, and I learned quickly. My company is also not extracting my full potential from me… too dangerous, perhaps…)
Hey, I figured I had to come and add something positive (sort of!) after my last couple of comments
Brett Legree’s last blog post…fail to succeed – report card, week 4.
12 December 2008, 12:31 am
Brett,
YES! There is SO MUCH MORE to be gained from those ambitious folks. When you’re chosing whom to hire, and when you’re creating a productive work environment. Yet some places seem determined to squash the life out of their staff!
Hehehe, the Tip of the Week just got cut from this comment. C’mon back on Saturday…
Later,
Kelly
12 December 2008, 12:34 am
Kelly,
Now that we’re not debating politics and history *grin* you know if the Factory put Friar & I in a room with a bunch of tools and stuff… watch out!
Don’t worry, I’ll be back – you can’t scare me
-Brett
PS – both of us need to go to bed now…
Brett Legree’s last blog post…fail to succeed – report card, week 4.
12 December 2008, 8:30 am
@Kelly
I’m with Brett…I suspect there are a lot of former Mr. Ambitions out there. Who used to be full of piss and vinegar, and put 100% of their effort into their job.
But after several years of abuse, getting beaten down at each and every turn, and constantly being told what screw-ups they are, they just gave up and stopped trying anymore.
Not that they don’t do their job. But they do the bare minimum, just enough to keep their boss happy, and NOT ONE IOTA more. They’re only keeping their job out of convenience, until something better comes along.
And any extra energy they have ends up being used on their own personal interests, once they’re off the clock.
But with a little bit of incentive I think these Mr. Ambitions can return to their former glory. It just takes the right company and rigth leadership.
12 December 2008, 8:33 am
Hey Friar,
I think two of them had beers last night and watched the Atomic Bomb Movie
I’ll be thinking very hard over the next couple of weeks about what I want to write to our CEO, considering what is coming down the pipe, and how they want to improve work effectiveness (for less money, of course). Maybe it’s time our traveling circus visited the Factory… we’ll see if the new grand fromage listens.
Brett Legree’s last blog post…fail to succeed – report card, week 4.
12 December 2008, 8:44 am
37.5 hours.
It’s a crime against their brains and their abilities.
12 December 2008, 8:48 am
It’s dawned on me that we may all have different definitions of “ambitious” and “stable” — at least I did. The way I understood it, the assumption was choosing someone who was a go-getter, but who you knew would leave shortly vs. a hard-worker who you knew would be more likely to stay (all things being equal).
Now I realize that perhaps all things aren’t equal. If the assumption is that both have the same likelihood of leaving, what is the choice?
I’m with Friar on this one to a certain extent. If you are going to hire the ambitious one, you need to create an environment for that person to thrive. Part of that, I would think, is to even make it easier for him or her to “apprentice” at your company, and then go on their way.
I used to work at McDonald’s as a teenager. The store manager was what you would call “traditional” — think Archie Bunker without the racism. Very definite views about the world, and very gruff on the exterior. But a really good heart, and smarter than first appearances might reveal.
Anyway, quite often if someone quit out of frustration, he would sit that person down and help them see things more clearly. Usually they would stay on. But one day this girl quit and he didn’t say a word to her. I remember she was so upset, thinking that he didn’t care about her (in retrospect, I think she was just looking for this type of attention).
I told her it was the opposite — he realized that it was time for her to move on and explore other, bigger opportunities. And he wasn’t about to hold her back.
In other words, he let her push herself out of the nest, even if she didn’t mean it and felt she wasn’t ready to move on.
Not quite sure after writing all this what it adds to the conversation. But it occurred to me that the downside of ambition is that once that person has gotten all he or she needs from a position and he or she doesn’t move on, that ambitious worker can become the beaten down one quite easily.
It also occurred to me that the damned English language needs a neutral pronoun…
~Graham
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12 December 2008, 9:32 am
@Graham
Hahah!
Turn-lay 12, please. Thank you.
(I worked McD’s too…back in 1981!)
The job was crap…but they had reasonably good managers, who knew how to deal with teenagers. Plus all your high-school friends worked there too. It wasnt’ that bad and experience, actually.
@Brett
Yeah…regarding what’s coming down the pipe at the Factory.
They announced last week, they wanted to save money. Yet today, they made a big announcement on “Safety Tips” for the holidays. Where they reminded us to wear a hat and mittens, if it’s cold outside.
They actually PAY people to put this on our web page.
(And then they wonder why people leave.)
Friar’s last blog post…Vintage Friar Toons #4
12 December 2008, 9:40 am
@Friar – lol I started in about 1983, and worked there for about five years — a lifetime, back then. I didn’t much like high school, so Mickey D’s pretty much became my social circle. It also paid my way through university, which would be unheard of these days.
Yeah, good times. Turn-lay 12 — you certainly needed talent back then. Not like today where everything’s automated. I remember getting the mini-clamshell for Quarter Pounders in like 1986 or something, and seeing the future…
~Graham
Graham Strong’s last blog post…Why Your Ideas Are All Wet…
12 December 2008, 9:54 am
@Graham
I remember when they unveiled the McCHICKEN in our store (and it was a big deal).
And bacon didn’t exist on any burgers.
My greatest accomplishment was to be able to handle four sets of buns at once (not just ANYONE could do that!)
I used to love those styrofoam clamshell boxes (and poke my finger through to destroy my buddy’s burger!) I know they were bad for the Ozone layer, but I prefer those to todays’ cardboard ones.
Friar’s last blog post…Vintage Friar Toons #4
12 December 2008, 10:01 am
@Friar,
And since the styrofoam can be recycled as well as the paper these days, I too would prefer the styrofoam – at least it keeps the food hot!
@Graham,
Very good point in your last part – once you’ve gotten all you need, perhaps it is best to move on. Probably best for all involved.
Brett Legree’s last blog post…fail to succeed – report card, week 4.
12 December 2008, 10:01 am
@Friar — hey, hey, I hear ya! I used to be the “Bunmaster”. We had a competition up here — I can’t remember what it was called now! All-stars, maybe? Anyway, I won a few years on buns. Not quite the same prestige as grill, but it still got the girls heh heh…
My favourite was sliding off all 12 Big Mac tops perfectly with one fell swoop… Not easy either!
[/geeky teenage memories]
~Graham
Graham Strong’s last blog post…Why Your Ideas Are All Wet…
12 December 2008, 2:27 pm
I WILL NEVER GET AWAY FROM HAVING McDONALD’S AS MY BIGGEST SEARCH TERM. NEVER.
12 December 2008, 2:31 pm
@Kelly
Here’a few more key words to trigger the search engine:
Big Mac, Quater Pounder, McChicken, Hamburglar, Grimace, Mayor McCheese, Golden Arches, Supersize Me, Ronald McDonald, McRib Sandwich.
(There…did I do my part?)
(..but now I’m HUNGRY…dammit!)
Friar’s last blog post…Vintage Friar Toons #4
12 December 2008, 2:35 pm
Hey Friar,
You forgot McLobster (McHomard for any French-Canadians out there!)
And, just for added fun:
Two all beef patties, special sauce, lettuce, cheese, pickles, onions on a sesame seed bun.
Heh heh…
Brett Legree’s last blog post…fail to succeed – report card, week 4.
12 December 2008, 2:41 pm
Ahem. I’m composed now.
And I should have yelled “one of” my biggest search terms, but I was laughing too hard at the McConversation. You guys crack me up.
Graham,
It’s all about this, to me: “who you knew would leave shortly.” Even if I did get that vibe (and I wasn’t there, so all I have to go on is that the candidate was “too good” to stick around), I don’t have a crystal ball so I don’t think I’d want to use the vibe as a criterion.
With job-hopping a fact and job-stability for all the reasons we’ve talked about not too likely, I think looking at any candidate as an “apprentice” of sorts is a pretty good idea. As is making the best possible environment for that apprenticeship. Staff are your biggest source of word of mouth. Good or bad. Why every employer (especially certain Factories) doesn’t get this is beyond me.
You always add plenty to the conversation!
To the McD’s dudes:
Kelly—1985–1989 alum, off and on. Manager. Nah nah.
You know why I think the old McD’s ways were so wonderful? They empowered their employees. Treated teens like adults, and expected them to behave like adults. Kept management very close to the trenches, so the job felt personal, not corporate. And they never told you to keep warm in the winter, as if you were a child. If your Mama didn’t teach you that, then effing freeze. They never tried to raise the kids who came through their doors.
I’m not sure if they still try to look at it that way, but it’s not as successful now, as far as I can tell. That’s a shame. I see Target learned all their lessons at McDonald’s knee, though, and they lead their young, job-hopper staff as skillfully as ever McD’s did.
Thanks for bringing back my own geeky teenage memories. There are plenty of MCE lessons hiding in them.
Later,
Kelly
12 December 2008, 3:39 pm
@Kelly
Hahah.
1985-89? So were you around when they had those horrid polyester uniforms? (Like wearing Volkswagen seat covers….). The color depended on your store. Ours were shit-brown.
You should ask James…I’m not sure, but if you go to Quebec, I think there’s a McTabernac Burger.
Friar’s last blog post…Vintage Friar Toons #4
12 December 2008, 4:04 pm
Oh, Jamie…? I don’t think he can hear me.
Friar,
ROFL McTabernac. That’s fabulous.
At one store I worked at, they were deep blue, and at one, that charming shade of brown. I know this, because my dear daughter came upon a box the other day marked something like “Don’t open until H*ll freezes over” and naturally, she opened it. Inside were all sorts of uniforms, aprons, and the like, from my fast food through my real restaurant days. Looks like I kept one of each so I could give myself flashbacks someday. Which I did. *shudders* Then I promptly threw out all but one item.
The ickiest thing about those polyester uniforms was you could never, ever get the smell of old hamburger out of them, even with a thousand bleach washes.
You guessed it, when she pulled the box out, my chef’s whites were cute enough (she wanted them for painter’s togs), but everything had to go because the whole box stunk like I left my last McD’s yesterday.
Eeeew.
I kept an apron onto which I had pinned all manner of nametags, special promotion buttons, anything we were given from any of the joints I worked for. Someday it won’t be worth a fortune.
Until later,
Kelly
12 December 2008, 4:33 pm
[geeky teenage memories][strong]
Okay, he goes.
Reddish burgundy uniforms. So not bad, considering. And since I was a straight teenage guy, didn’t much care that they were polyester — no wrinkles! When I started, they still had paper hats, then moved to the dreaded visors. And of course, the Mac Tonight sunglasses!
Starting wage: $2.75 per hour. Had just gone up from $2.65, so I was lucky.
I remember sauce fights on slow nights. This one guy with arms as big as my thighs pushed the end of the tartar sauce gun so hard, the whole tube sailed through the air in slow motion. The other guy on the other side of the room (aka ‘the target’) barely had enough time to grab a bun pan to block the shot. Tartar. sauce. everywhere.
Here’s one Friar might remember, and Kelly might enjoy. Ya know that famous John Roberts on CNN? Used to be JD Roberts, a VJ on MuchMusic AND the perennial narrator of the McDonald’s quarterly news video. Yes, somehow they got the licensing for songs like Thriller, and Take Me Home. And, of course, a peppy pep talk from JD himself.
Buttons. Yes, they had some funny ones. Back then, it was almost all girls who worked the till, so it was dem dat wore the buttons. They hated it when the annual “Treasure Cups” promotion came along each year…
Funny moment — competing in the “best of” competition. The girl from our store competing as hostess was really getting into it. We piled into a van to go from one store to the next, one of those old 15-passenger vans, smoke grey, tinted windows. The engine was gunning, and just as we were about to pull away, this hostess spotted a kid and his mother crossing the parking lot. So of course she automatically cracked open the flip out (and yes, tinted) window, stuck her hand out, and offered the kid a balloon. The mother pulled the kid away from the van before we had a chance to “drag him in”. Of course, we just peeled away. I still die laughing to this day imagining exactly how that looked from the mother’s perspective…
[/geeky teenage memories]
Fun times. We even have a Facebook page.
~Graham
Graham Strong’s last blog post…Why Your Ideas Are All Wet…
12 December 2008, 5:19 pm
Graham,
My first wage-slave job (before fast food) was as a waitress. (I’d been babysitting, cleaning houses, and mowing lawns before then.)
I lasted one month. I can’t remember what I made in fast food, but I remember getting $2.20 (US, of course) an hour as a waitress. Tips in this miserable place were supposed to make up for the fact that we didn’t make minimum wage, which was something around 3 bucks at that time. The tips did not make up for it. Utterly horrid job. When I worked in the “back of the house” later as a chef I always had the utmost respect for the waitstaff. Still do, actually. It looks 500% easier than it is.
OMG. A Facebook page? Frightening!
Can’t go any farther down memory lane, I have a rash as it is thinking about this!
Later,
Kelly
12 December 2008, 5:30 pm
Graham—I’ve been trying to get back to your post all day, and I finally got there to comment. I love your Unified Shower Theory of Creativity!
12 December 2008, 6:42 pm
@Graham
My first job was Harvey’s, at $2.15 an hour…a month later, I jumped ship and went to McD’s..which not only paid $2.30 an hour, but all my friend where there!
(Listen to us….we’re like a bunch of old geezers…
Oh, Dear Me. I made $2.15 an hour, but back then, mind you, that was a lot of money. A bottle of sarsaparilla was only a nickel. With a dollar, it bought you a ticket on the trolley car, with enough left over for popcorn and a double feature at the Bijou…!
Friar’s last blog post…Vintage Friar Toons #4
12 December 2008, 6:53 pm
That’s it, I’m moving to Canada now. I can’t even get sarsaparilla.
12 December 2008, 10:54 pm
We have McPoutines. Even better.
And yes! McDonalds former employee here too, only our uniforms were… shit, I forget. Navy blue? Man, that place sure does teach you how to work, though.
As for the post, HOW COULD I HAVE MISSED THIS ONE? I’d hire ambition any day. However, most people in positions of authority for hiring are not Gen X or Ys. They’re Baby Boomers, who don’t value the same things that the XYers do, which is typically not settling for long and aspiring to achieve constant goals over stagnation.
I wrote about that somewhere. Copyblogger? Yes. Search for Generation X. Find me
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12 December 2008, 11:06 pm
@James
McPoutine. (I don’t think he’s kidding, folks!):-)
That rings a bell, when I used to live in Pointe Claire.
(Though, you can’t really experience true poutine, unless you get it from a road-side Chip Stand, where they cut the fries by hand, use authentic cheese curds, and cook everything right on the spot. (Bonus points is the trailer is hand-painted with poorly-rendered cartoon characters).
Friar’s last blog post…Christmas Bears
12 December 2008, 11:08 pm
James,
Eeew. McPoutines. How’d you like to see that sitting around in a foam box for a couple of hours?
Yes, they do (or did) teach you how to work. I haven’t written about them in a while, but they were a great training ground for just doing the right thing in the work world.
No need to search… I just have all your CB posts framed on the wall in the living room. Okay?
As to the post, yes, that was one of my thoughts. How much “who you hire” may have to do with who you are, not who he or she is.
Until later,
Kelly
12 December 2008, 11:10 pm
No, no, please be kidding. Please.
I’ve never had the stuff but from the description it sounds like something that should only be fresh. Never Mc’ed.
13 December 2008, 6:36 am
Wasn’t kidding at all. It’s one of my friends’ kid’s favorite meal. Comes in a black plastic dish with a clear bubble top.
http://archives.cbc.ca/lifestyle/food/clips/8372/
Personally, I’m with Friar. The frite stand is the only place to eat. Questionable hygiene, don’t look to far behind the counter and the customer is never in charge or right.
The problem? Price. We’re now up to 5.85 for a small poutine, which is actually close to my two hands cupped together and full of food. That makes a meal for four (4 small poutines, 4 cheese-bacons and 4 cokes, because the poutine is supposed to be a SIDE order… right…) come up to a small fortune. It’s now a luxury meal.
Invariably, most of the food gets thrown out or you’d puke trying to scarf it all down.
James Chartrand – Men with Pens’s last blog post…Drive-by-Shooting Sundays: Writer Dad
13 December 2008, 8:39 am
James,
BWAH ha ha! That video was an awesome start to my day! I am, as before, grossed out and determined to try it someday, but now ROFL too.
Of course we can get fries and gravy down here and I love that (I’m Irish! If it involves a potato I have to love it!), but you know, the cheese curds are a bit icky looking and they make me wonder how you ever get out of your chair again after having a few bites. As you say, throw some out (or share with a crowd).
“Pou-tchin” if you don’t want to be called out. Got it. (Look, silly videos can teach something!) If I ever roll across the border you’ll have to give me a recommendation on the best stand in the province.
Until later,
Kelly
13 December 2008, 10:22 am
@James
$5.85 for a small poutine? TABAROUETTE, C’est cher!
Those chip stands have gone up in price.
On a related note, I kinda miss “La Belle Province” (the restaurant chain, that is). I liked to go there to get my dose of cheap hotdogs and greasy fries. I liked the “Toasties” versus the “Steamies”. And I liked how they shovelled the fries on your tray so they spilled all over the place.
Unfortunately, I don’t think there’s a Belle Province anywhere east of D.D.O. It’s a good 4.5 hour drive for me.
13 December 2008, 10:29 am
Hm, I’ll have to go back there, actually. I went to La Belle Province once in my life, but there’s one right in town here and I’ve never tried.
Toastés are damned good… except I haven’t eaten a hot dog in years. Saw a documentary on how they’re made and got completely grossed out. But man. I do miss them. All dressed. With pickles.
You ever have a guedille? Now *that’s* disgusting but oh man. Hot dog bun, bacon, coleslaw, curd cheese, hot peppers, mushrooms and onions… Oh man. Now I have to go out for lunch. Jeez.
And it’ll cost me. *cries*
James Chartrand – Men with Pens’s last blog post…Drive-by-Shooting Sundays: Writer Dad
13 December 2008, 2:03 pm
@James
Guedille?
(That’s a new one on me!)
Never heard of that one before, (but then again, I grew up on the West Island).
Friar’s last blog post…Christmas Bears
14 December 2008, 11:32 am
Hey, “New Friend”
I’m afraid I’m going to have to go with Mr. Ambition. I think about the influence and inspiration he may have on the other members of the team. I think a dynamo like that may help to inspire.
And what’s to say the no-ambition guy wouldn’t leave at some point anyway?
I say grab the brass ring while it’s right there and get what you can out of it.
Cheers
George
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14 December 2008, 12:16 pm
George,
I knew I liked you. Walked right in here, agreed with me
, and thought of an aspect I hadn’t: Mr. Ambition’s ability to lift everybody else up. That’s a great point.
Welcome to MCE, and thanks for your comment!
Regards,
Kelly